[VoyGeorge]

Originally Posted by bootykush

I find them on places such as filestube, megaupload, which allow for downloading.

You are re-watermarking them which is the same as claiming them as your own. This is called stealiing.

It's probably double-stealing because many of the most popular tubes do not have the rights to the videos they show. They're uploaded by "users" (typically site admins posing as users). Their game is to get as many surfers as possible and then sell ads or point surfers to cam sites. They "get away" with this because 1. They have balls, 2. they have highly paid lawyers and 3. they put themselves and their business in some country that makes it harder to track them down.

You may buy some bulk videos for the purpose of posting on tubes. They're mostly junk that will not convert in the best of times, but you can use them for building some basic traffic numbers. Be sure you get a tube license for any content you buy.

The tubes allow embedding because it helps drive traffic back to their site. Virtually none of it goes to the site listed in the watermark. Doubtful many people will hand-type your watermarked URL to find more videos. People are just too lazy to do that.

I found it funny you said you're thinking you'll sell info on your site about how to make an adult Web site. Don't you think you're being a bit premature!? You're making some very basic mistakes. The biggest is thinking that because you can't easily find a copyright notice on a video that it must be uncopyrighted. This is 1996 thinking, and you're liable to get some very nasty letters from lawyers from the content owners who make a play to go after - and demand money from - the little guys.

Adult sites are no longer the fun weekend Internet warrior kind of biz. There's some pretty mean shit going on out there. Many content providers are hurting because of the tubes, and they're finding it more lucrative to set their lawyers after the hordes of parasitic sites. You do NOT want to get a C&D letter from a lawyer who is working on a 50% split revenue recovery for videos you "found." You're looking at thousands per clip.

[bootykush]

Originally Posted by VoyGeorge

You are re-watermarking them which is the same as claiming them as your own. This is called stealiing.

It's probably double-stealing because many of the most popular tubes do not have the rights to the videos they show. They're uploaded by "users" (typically site admins posing as users). Their game is to get as many surfers as possible and then sell ads or point surfers to cam sites. They "get away" with this because 1. They have balls, 2. they have highly paid lawyers and 3. they put themselves and their business in some country that makes it harder to track them down.

You may buy some bulk videos for the purpose of posting on tubes. They're mostly junk that will not convert in the best of times, but you can use them for building some basic traffic numbers. Be sure you get a tube license for any content you buy.

The tubes allow embedding because it helps drive traffic back to their site. Virtually none of it goes to the site listed in the watermark. Doubtful many people will hand-type your watermarked URL to find more videos. People are just too lazy to do that.

I found it funny you said you're thinking you'll sell info on your site about how to make an adult Web site. Don't you think you're being a bit premature!? You're making some very basic mistakes. The biggest is thinking that because you can't easily find a copyright notice on a video that it must be uncopyrighted. This is 1996 thinking, and you're liable to get some very nasty letters from lawyers from the content owners who make a play to go after - and demand money from - the little guys.

Adult sites are no longer the fun weekend Internet warrior kind of biz. There's some pretty mean shit going on out there. Many content providers are hurting because of the tubes, and they're finding it more lucrative to set their lawyers after the hordes of parasitic sites. You do NOT want to get a C&D letter from a lawyer who is working on a 50% split revenue recovery for videos you "found." You're looking at thousands per clip.

Moral of this story:

1. Buy the vids from other sources.
2. Hire your own models and gain exclusive rights to those vids...

As far as selling info on how to create an adult site ...I would be selling them everything I know as of now with no guarantee of success...I would show them how to setup a hosting account, buy domain, upload wordpress or joomla...set up templates...etc...nothing too in depth about marketing... I would collect this cash put it towards models, etc.

I have acouple models I found on CL who are interested in doing videos...I told them 5 bucks for every quality 3 min video...I think its well worth the 5 dollars considering I will have exclusive rights to the videos...then collect about 20 of those bad boys, plaster my logo on them, upload them to websites and keep recycling them...

eventually tell everyone to fuck off because they are MY vids

do I have correct idea?

ps

as far as this tube license your talking about...will I need to get it if I create my own videos?

[Tigger]

As far as selling info on how to create an adult site ...I would be selling them everything I know as of now with no guarantee of success...I would show them how to setup a hosting account, buy domain, upload wordpress or joomla...set up templates...etc...nothing too in depth about marketing... I would collect this cash put it towards models, etc.

you are getting way ahead of yourself as normally people that offer these types of services are experienced webmasters with years of experience of running a successful site and fully understand the problems a newbie will have and your the one still making these elementary errors

So forget that at least until you've got a good few years under your belt and have made a good living from within the industry and can prove it as anyone coming to you for advice & help especially if they are paying for it will expect to see proof of your claims

Also the type of service / product you are talking about is similar to the "turnkey" business model and that goes down like a lead weight with most in the industry as these guys are just feeding off helpless newbies that never stand a chance of succeeding and the only one that makes "some" money is the webmaster selling his advice

[jello]

Originally Posted by bootykush

Moral of this story:

I have acouple models I found on CL who are interested in doing videos...I told them 5 bucks for every quality 3 min video...I think its well worth the 5 dollars considering I will have exclusive rights to the videos...then collect about 20 of those bad boys, plaster my logo on them, upload them to websites and keep recycling them...

This seems way to risky
How do you know these girl really are over 18 years old. for $5 they also want the hassle of giving you their personal info for 2257 records?

[Tigger]

does the word quality & 5 bucks really go hand in hand ?

[jello]

Originally Posted by Tigger

does the word quality & 5 bucks really go hand in hand ?

[Tigger]

after a rich meal yesterday I don't think I'll be clicking that link

[VoyGeorge]

Originally Posted by bootykush

Moral of this story:

1. Buy the vids from other sources.
2. Hire your own models and gain exclusive rights to those vids...

Yes, that's the right formula.

You have the opportunity here to do a cross-over mainstream/adult business. These are very rare. Because the bulk of "booty shake" videos are on YouTube, and - because of their TOS - do not contain much nudity, you can actually use YT for promotion. That would be a huge market! Therefore, I'd strongly consider keeping your site R rated, at least the guest part. You can have harder content inside.

I'm sure you're aware a goodly portion of the popularity of booty shake videos is that the participants are often under age, or appear to be so. For obvious reasons, you'll need to ensure all of your models are 18+.

Frankly, I see the biggest hurdle to your site is keeping up interest in the videos. You may not be able to sustain a paysite formula by having 200 shake videos, where everything after the 15th video starts looking the same. So, consider a free tube (of your own or licensed content) and sell cams or anything else that seems to fit.

[VoyGeorge]

Originally Posted by jello

Yep, yuck it up, but properly virally promoted, this kind of video can produce hundreds of thousands of hits. Be sure to enter a share-the-wealth arrangement with YT for any ads and they pay YOU! Create your own channel and advertise your site on it (according to YT's TOS) and get tons of really nicely qualified hits to your site.

There are monkeys that do nothing but create silly videos and promote them via YT. They make more than you, I, AND Tigger combined. It's insane, and a market I'd love to crack.

[Tigger]

Frankly, I see the biggest hurdle to your site is keeping up interest in the videos. You may not be able to sustain a paysite formula by having 200 shake videos, where everything after the 15th video starts looking the same. So, consider a free tube (of your own or licensed content) and sell cams or anything else that seems to fit.

I would have thought an ideal market for live webcam feeds, least thats the direction I would go

They make more than you, I, AND Tigger combined. It's insane, and a market I'd love to crack.

trust me with my month end figures for this month its really not hard although yesterday G gave a site a massive boost so traffic has trebled be interesting to see how long it lasts

[VoyGeorge]

Goog news on the traffic boost. Let's hope it equates to convos.

There are a number of YT contributors that make $10K+ a week, and a few even more than that. The big sellers seem to be Jackass style stupid tricks and other faked "funniest home movies." I guess I'd risk a broken collarbone for $10K a week.

If you have a cute animal those clips can get millions of hits. There's one where two cats are talking - 24 million views so far. (No ads on it. YT must hate it when they get a popular non-sponsored video like this. All that bandwidth and no way to pay for it. The original owner of this video could have easily pulled in hundreds of thousands of $$$.)

[student4ever]

ok VG, now you've got me thinking about YT videos that would be reasonably easy to produce...

may need to look into that type of setup!

Item #1,249,594 to add to the to-do list...

[Tigger]

Goog news on the traffic boost. Let's hope it equates to convos.

the boost is helping conversions, but I also know with G never to get used the traffic it sends

I guess I'd risk a broken collarbone for $10K a week.

and NO I'm not doing the bull run next year just wearing a tigger thong

[student4ever]

Originally Posted by Tigger

and NO I'm not doing the bull run next year just wearing a tigger thong

just because it didn't go well this year, doesn't mean you shouldn't try again!

[housekeeper]

I don't know what to say about this, with no disrespect to bootykush, this industry has become over saturated with this type of website model. I see this time and time again, and seemingly only this...

Here's the proper way to start any business, first have a product to sell, then research your ass off to find any holes, or loopholes, with respect to the legal aspect of what you're getting into (consult or hire an attorney). Have a marketing concept in place, have some expertise in the area where you're product is concerned, DON'T set up a website then ask all of the questions you should have asked before you broke ground. There are many other facets to "setting up" a business, but here again we have yet another college student with a tube site (albeit it not a full blown tube), looking to make extra cash during the school semester.

Again, with no disrespect to bootykush, but what you've done has little to do with adult webmastering and/or being a functional member of the adult community. Unfortunately this is the current state of affairs, slap up a tube site then look for the cash to start rolling in.

All I can say is if you're serious about running an adult based website, get a concept, do your research (like all the rest of us had to do, and are still doing). And be prepared to work your ass off, then and only then will you start to see some results...